ryoder 1,590 #1 October 7, 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7030096.stm Oh, for chrissake!!! I used to own a copy of that book. So apparently in the eyes of the UK govt, I am a terrorist. Congratulations UK, you are presenting the Dubya administration with some real competition in making Orwells "1984" a reality."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Almighty 0 #2 October 7, 2007 I don't see anything wrong in prosecuting the twat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #3 October 7, 2007 Do you think either of them is named....Mohammed ? bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #4 October 7, 2007 Quote http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7030096.stm Oh, for chrissake!!! I used to own a copy of that book. So apparently in the eyes of the UK govt, I am a terrorist. Congratulations UK, you are presenting the Dubya administration with some real competition in making Orwells "1984" a reality. I'm guessing there is probably a little more to the story than that.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #5 October 8, 2007 But its a brave new world ya know...espcially if you are not goose stepping to the right drum beat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #6 October 8, 2007 Quote But its a brave new world ya know...especially if you are not goose stepping to the right drum beat. Oh, you're right; I keep forgetting that everything has changed since 9/11; War is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength. Why do I keep forgetting that?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 October 8, 2007 QuoteI'm guessing there is probably a little more to the story than that. I would hope so. The book by itself should be okay. But if you're found possessing odd substances that are in the ingredient list for a bomb in the book, then 2 + 2 = 4, and should deservedly be real trouble... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #8 October 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'm guessing there is probably a little more to the story than that. I would hope so. The book by itself should be okay. But if you're found possessing odd substances that are in the ingredient list for a bomb in the book, then 2 + 2 = 4, and should deservedly be real trouble... If he did things other than possessing a book, then he should be charged with those. Free men don't need their government's permission to own a book."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #9 October 8, 2007 Like, oh, say, household chemicals (because that's what the JR cookbook is about, making shit from stuff around the house, and on top of that, not making it very well ). Seriously, if this book was sitting next to a bottle of drain-o, would the kid deserve to be charged? Rediculous. .jim "Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 October 8, 2007 QuoteI'm guessing there is probably a little more to the story than that. So it would appear:"Ahmed was arrested at Heathrow Airport in London on Sept. 7 after returning from Pakistan, where he had been held on suspicion of militancy... He was charged with directing activities of a terrorist organization, possession documents useful to terrorists and possession of a rucksack containing traces of explosives allegedly for terrorist purposes... He is accused of possessing quantities of potassium nitrate and calcium chloride, which he allegedly intended to use for terrorism... Potassium nitrate is a critical oxidising component of gunpowder... Videos including the devil's face made in smoke following the 9/11 attacks, beheadings and references to jihad were also allegedly found at the address..."Sources: http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iSW7KQuv6_a97C19LOJKvg524ECw http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hBGtb-_f2Z1iD8MdPMo1hQsKd-1g http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Yorkshire-teenager-in-court-on.3214623.jp At least his name wasn't Mohammad, but it was close. Some of you may have been a little quick to rush to judgment against the police. Would you prefer that they ignore all of these facts, do nothing, and wait for some bomb to explode and kill scores of innocent people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Almighty 0 #11 October 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'm guessing there is probably a little more to the story than that. So it would appear:"Ahmed was arrested at Heathrow Airport in London on Sept. 7 after returning from Pakistan, where he had been held on suspicion of militancy... He was charged with directing activities of a terrorist organization, possession documents useful to terrorists and possession of a rucksack containing traces of explosives allegedly for terrorist purposes... He is accused of possessing quantities of potassium nitrate and calcium chloride, which he allegedly intended to use for terrorism... Potassium nitrate is a critical oxidising component of gunpowder... Videos including the devil's face made in smoke following the 9/11 attacks, beheadings and references to jihad were also allegedly found at the address..."Sources: http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iSW7KQuv6_a97C19LOJKvg524ECw http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hBGtb-_f2Z1iD8MdPMo1hQsKd-1g http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Yorkshire-teenager-in-court-on.3214623.jp At least his name wasn't Mohammad, but it was close. Some of you may have been a little quick to rush to judgment against the police. Would you prefer that they ignore all of these facts, do nothing, and wait for some bomb to explode and kill scores of innocent people? It's a bit like the gun argument.... you can give everybody guns because until they actually shoot somebody then they're not a threat.... just like you can allow people to have books telling you how to make bombs and also let them have the ingredients, until they actually make the bomb and kill people it's ok...... how about we try and stop people having the guns in the first place and also stop people from having the ingredients to make bombs instead of leaving it till it's too late and they have either shot somebody or made a bomb and blown some people up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #12 October 8, 2007 Quotealso stop people from having the ingredients to make bombs instead of leaving it till it's too late and they have either shot somebody or made a bomb and blown some people up So basically you are GUILTY of terrorism because you have houshold cleaning products that COULD be made into a bomb... The Anarchists Cookbook refers to MANY common everyday household items... Way to go in giving the Gestapo a reason to break down your door...so much for they wont look at you unless you are doing something wrong mantra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 October 8, 2007 Quotehow about we try and stop people from having the ingredients to make bombs instead of leaving it till it's too late and they have made a bomb and blown some people up Your suggestion implies that such efforts to stop people from buying bomb-making ingredients would actually be successful. And that is a false argument, as history proves that such efforts are doomed to fail against determined foes. Especially since some bombs can be made with quite common ingredients, like fertilizer and diesel fuel. So rather than forbid people to own such things, you need intelligence about whether or not people are plotting evil deeds with such things. And it seems to me, that in the case of the story prompting this thread, that police authorities did one heck of a good job putting the pieces together to identify this guy as a potential serious threat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #14 October 8, 2007 Don't be stupid. The police can't walk into peoples houses for no reason and start searching around for stuff. You clearly haven't got a clue. For once I agree with John. There is more to the story if you choose to read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #15 October 8, 2007 QuoteDon't be stupid. The police can't walk into peoples houses for no reason and start searching around for stuff. . Ya think?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 October 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteDon't be stupid. The police can't walk into peoples houses for no reason and start searching around for stuff. . Ya think? Do you smell gas? I think I smell gas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Almighty 0 #17 October 8, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Don't be stupid. The police can't walk into peoples houses for no reason and start searching around for stuff. . Ya think? Do you smell gas? I think I smell gas. Another sherry vicar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #18 October 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'm guessing there is probably a little more to the story than that. I would hope so. The book by itself should be okay. But if you're found possessing odd substances that are in the ingredient list for a bomb in the book, then 2 + 2 = 4, and should deservedly be real trouble... So, then, are you a propoent of kicking kids out of school for drawing pictures of soldiers, or talking about their dad's gun collection, too? it's very analogous this is a very left wing thing, and still wrong ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #19 October 8, 2007 >The book by itself should be okay. But if you're found possessing >odd substances that are in the ingredient list for a bomb in the book, then >2 + 2 = 4, and should deservedly be real trouble... So finding a gun in someone's house should be OK, but if the police were to find a quantity of gunpowder in your house, you should be in real trouble? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #20 October 8, 2007 The law is all about intent. It's not that one is forbidden to possess individually-legal items which might be combined to form an explosive; it's that one is forbidden to possess those components with the intent that they be combined to form an explosive. So in your garage, you possess some fertilizer you bought legally at the farm store, some ordinary diesel fuel, a bunch of small firecrackers (small enough to be legal in your state - as long as you don't break them open to harvest the contents), some legal model rocket engines, some legal coated-filament igniters for the model rockets, and some flashlight batteries. Are you guilty of possession of bomb components? Well, it's all a matter of your intent, and that's all a matter of evidence - and interpretation. And that's why there are trials, because reasonable people can disagree on what conclusion to draw from the same evidence. By the way, in the US, possession of the book could never be a crime; any law that might make it so would be unconstitutional. I'm rather proud of that. Having said that, even in the US, possession of the book together with all these components would probably be admissible in court as evidence of intent for the jury to consider. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #21 October 8, 2007 From the article: QuoteThe first charge relates to the possession of material for terrorist purposes in October last year. The second relates to the collection or possession of information useful in the preparation of an act of terrorism. Um, this is scary. Is it not a good thing that we have freedoms in the Bill of Rights? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #22 October 8, 2007 Quote From the article: Quote The first charge relates to the possession of material for terrorist purposes in October last year. The second relates to the collection or possession of information useful in the preparation of an act of terrorism. Um, this is scary. Is it not a good thing that we have freedoms in the Bill of Rights? I got this in an email from a friend today: Quote The copy *I* read came from the Chicago Public Library. :>D And if the dopey powers-that-be in the UK think the AC is bad, this link will have them shitting themselves: http://onlinebooks.110mb.com/tm%2031-210/31-210-contents.htm And as far as the Bill of Rights, those were great back in the old days when our elected officials actually gave a damn about enforcing them. BTW LawRocket, your avatar is messed up. Will you please put the Jim Carrey one back!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #23 October 8, 2007 QuoteBTW LawRocket, your avatar is messed up. Will you please put the Jim Carrey one back! That one's been retired. Too many people actually expected me to look like that. But I changed my avatar, anyway, because Sterculius apparently imparts a general sense of miasma. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #24 October 9, 2007 Quote Quote BTW LawRocket, your avatar is messed up. Will you please put the Jim Carrey one back! That one's been retired. Too many people actually expected me to look like that. And a lot of people think I look like Jeff Bridges, but why should I care? I'm perfectly happy that people don't know what I look like. Anonymity is a good thing. I initially used James Marsters photo as an avater until I discovered that a lot of chicks don't know who he is, but like the way he looks. I get a less PM's from confused chicks now."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #25 October 9, 2007 I just found the PERFECT avatar for you. Here you go! "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
